She remembers being angry enough to tear someone apart with her fingernails if she had to, remembers being unable to sleep and just needing to go, and go, and go.
We don't stop. We never stop.
And she remembers the all consuming guilt. How she'd have done anything to give Glenn back to Maggie, to trade herself for Abraham. She remembers knowing with conviction that she should have been the one Negan chose, and she should have done something to make him choose her.
"I guess it did," he says, but with a touch of doubt. "I think it's more that we made the most of a horrible situation. Things could have been so much better."
If not for Negan.
Whatever Jesus's thoughts about how Rick handled things, or how Maggie ultimately did, that remains true. Things were better without Negan around.
She shakes her head, slowly, like if she moves too quickly she'll get dizzy.
"What was there for me there?" What could she possibly have accomplished besides putting herself through more pain, and alone in a strange place? "Abraham was with Sasha then. Alexandria needed me, and I needed someplace I could lock a door."
There were no locked doors at Hilltop, none available anyway. Sasha and Maggie shared a space until Sasha died. And after that, well, Maggie had her own space but Rosita would have been staying with Jesus.
"I'm glad I know you now," he tells her, hand on hers.
Her nails are dug into her clothes still, and that's what his hand over hers covers first. She looks down, tells herself to breathe, to let it go, it's over.
No one who was there that day wants to talk about it. Those who weren't, can't. She forces herself to leave it where it is in the past, and join Jesus here in the present.
"Yeah," she finally manages, relaxing her grip at least. "Yeah. I'm glad, too."
Usually - for Jesus anyway - Rosita is deceptively easy to hold. She craves closeness, soaks up human contact like it's sunlight, keeps it stored close to her heart against the likelihood that it won't happen again.
Now, though, she doesn't actually resist but she doesn't relax into him either. It's difficult to hold onto her, joints at angles and muscles tense, but she doesn't resist.
She just also doesn't know how to even begin to let this go - and she is, maybe, just a bit afraid of what would happen if she tried.
"I get by," she finally says, softly, eyes open but unfocused over his shoulder, dry despite the tightness in her throat. "I have to. I'm the one still here."
"I'm here now," he points out. She doesn't resist so he holds her, will keep holding her while she allows it. "You're allowed to hurt a little right now. I'll keep us safe."
"Grief might not stop." Losing someone doesn't ever fully stop as far as he's seen. "But it won't destroy you. You'll come through it stronger if you can make sense of it."
It's not just grief. Not by now, not years later when she still doesn't let herself think about it too much. The surface points, sure - she can gloss over the majority of it and even talk about some of it with people, but she can't dig into it like she knows a therapist would have told her to do.
She can't. So she tucks her chin into him a bit more, closes her eyes, and says, "Some things you just know you'll die with."
It's not something she has any faith in them ever being able to say to normal people and just have it dropped. People who have, by and large, not had to confront the darkest parts of themselves, and don't know which way they'll jump in a situation that could kill them or someone they love.
But it's valuable to her now. That he can say that, and still hug her to him, and still be glad she's here, glad they know each other now. Glad they're close.
"I want better for you though," she says after a long few moments of steadying herself. "I want to help. You deserve better."
"You make it sound like you don't deserve better. And you do." She deserves better than what Abraham did when he left her. She deserves better than what Negan did when he took Abraham from her. She deserves better than she's had here.
This is hard for him. It always has been. He suspects it always will be. "I'm trying. I don't know if it's working. You'd have to ask K or Drake or Vrenille. I still don't know what I'm doing, Ro."
"How do I keep that going? Things change, they're always changing, and that's where I make the worst mistakes with people," he says, searching her face for the reassurance there.
He hasn't failed her; maybe it's just a byproduct of the two of them being here out of everyone, being here instead of there, but it doesn't matter. This is what is, so she can say with confidence: he has not failed her.
But she also knows she's safe for him in a way the other three aren't, just like he is for her. So, start there: what comes to mind for him that he's most worried about?
"Well," he draws a breath, readying himself to just talk. To get it out, to let her help him make sense of it. "Things are good with Drake and K. I think they're both getting used to the idea that I meant it when I promised I wouldn't bail again."
He leans against her slightly. "A while ago, Vrenille and I took a drug that made us both forget we'd ever had sex. With anyone. It made us teenagers again basically and so it meant that when we fucked, it was our first time."
Rosita hasn't knowingly used any of the aphrodisiacs that Duplicity has to offer, even though lately she's been considering it; all the same she knows how hard they can hit, and how real they feel while you're in them.
She raises an eyebrow, but straightens up to settle in now that he's talking.
"Intentionally?" she asks. It surprises her - but then again, maybe not. "How'd that go?"
"Yeah, they were formulated for the party at Marked." Jesus has a light drug history, which probably doesn't surprise many people when they get to know him. Weed, shrooms, natural things. All of that went away, of course, after the world fell apart and he had to keep his head about him.
"He let me pick which one. I couldn't tell you why I picked that one except that my first time wasn't that much fun and I wanted to see what it would have been like with someone I could still be friends with after. It went really well. But I have two sets of memories now when I think about my first time: one where I was frantic and afraid of getting caught, and one with Vrenille. And it changed things, a little."
She and Jesus, she realizes, have a lot more in common than even they realized; her first time was with a boy, of course, so she didn't have the social stigma to worry about until much later, but there was a different one for her. It wasn't that much fun for her either, and she can see immediately the appeal of trying again with a trusted partner.
But then there's the rest. "For both of you? Or just you?"
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She remembers being angry enough to tear someone apart with her fingernails if she had to, remembers being unable to sleep and just needing to go, and go, and go.
We don't stop. We never stop.
And she remembers the all consuming guilt. How she'd have done anything to give Glenn back to Maggie, to trade herself for Abraham. She remembers knowing with conviction that she should have been the one Negan chose, and she should have done something to make him choose her.
"It worked out."
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If not for Negan.
Whatever Jesus's thoughts about how Rick handled things, or how Maggie ultimately did, that remains true. Things were better without Negan around.
"Why didn't you come to the Hilltop, too?"
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"What was there for me there?" What could she possibly have accomplished besides putting herself through more pain, and alone in a strange place? "Abraham was with Sasha then. Alexandria needed me, and I needed someplace I could lock a door."
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"I'm glad I know you now," he tells her, hand on hers.
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No one who was there that day wants to talk about it. Those who weren't, can't. She forces herself to leave it where it is in the past, and join Jesus here in the present.
"Yeah," she finally manages, relaxing her grip at least. "Yeah. I'm glad, too."
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Now, though, she doesn't actually resist but she doesn't relax into him either. It's difficult to hold onto her, joints at angles and muscles tense, but she doesn't resist.
She just also doesn't know how to even begin to let this go - and she is, maybe, just a bit afraid of what would happen if she tried.
"I get by," she finally says, softly, eyes open but unfocused over his shoulder, dry despite the tightness in her throat. "I have to. I'm the one still here."
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"I don't think this is the kind of hurt that stops once it starts."
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She can't. So she tucks her chin into him a bit more, closes her eyes, and says, "Some things you just know you'll die with."
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So he just holds onto her because that's all he can offer. He knows she's been through hell, and he wants her here anyway.
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But it's valuable to her now. That he can say that, and still hug her to him, and still be glad she's here, glad they know each other now. Glad they're close.
"I want better for you though," she says after a long few moments of steadying herself. "I want to help. You deserve better."
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The problem is, she doesn't see what she can do differently to get that at this point.
"But you're willing to put your neck out and work for it."
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She leans back a bit so she can meet his eyes, so she can reach up with the hand he doesn't have hold of and smooth back some hair from his face.
"I don't think they'd all three still be coming around if you weren't doing something right."
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He hasn't failed her; maybe it's just a byproduct of the two of them being here out of everyone, being here instead of there, but it doesn't matter. This is what is, so she can say with confidence: he has not failed her.
But she also knows she's safe for him in a way the other three aren't, just like he is for her. So, start there: what comes to mind for him that he's most worried about?
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He leans against her slightly. "A while ago, Vrenille and I took a drug that made us both forget we'd ever had sex. With anyone. It made us teenagers again basically and so it meant that when we fucked, it was our first time."
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She raises an eyebrow, but straightens up to settle in now that he's talking.
"Intentionally?" she asks. It surprises her - but then again, maybe not. "How'd that go?"
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"He let me pick which one. I couldn't tell you why I picked that one except that my first time wasn't that much fun and I wanted to see what it would have been like with someone I could still be friends with after. It went really well. But I have two sets of memories now when I think about my first time: one where I was frantic and afraid of getting caught, and one with Vrenille. And it changed things, a little."
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But then there's the rest. "For both of you? Or just you?"
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